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WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

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Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 17:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

internal link?

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I just thought that this maxim is near from the command & conquer ones "peace through power". If anyone thinks it could be useful, what about adding an internal reference? 85.18.201.175 (talk) 05:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How about deleting article?

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No references, sounds like a fan site, etc. Just WP:OR POV essay at this point, though if someone wanted to work on it and give it references it might past muster. CarolMooreDC (talk) 03:48, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There look to be a few references since added. It's still a stub, but hardly worth deleting, or needing the cite tag anymore. QueenofBattle (talk) 20:45, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Peachey

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I removed mention of "According to author Paul Peachey, it is the essence of Vegetius's maxim si vis pacem, para bellum (if you want peace, prepare for war)" as I could not find it—the phrase "peace through strength"—in the source. I was reverted with an edit summary that indicated it (presumably the phrase "peace through strength") was in the full text. Yet a google book search led me to page 303 of Democracy: in the throes of liberalism and totalitarianism where I found the reference to Vegetius but no mention of "peace through strength". I am going to remove it again. -Shootbamboo (talk) 00:34, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did some research on this. Cannot be in the main article because it is original, but the information can be useful in this and other cases:

Roman Emperor Hadrian (AD 76–138) is said to have sought "peace through strength or, failing that, peace through threat."[1] Ever since this was said, the concept has repeatedly been attributed personally to Hadrian.[2][3][4][5] Hadrian did not say it verbatim and the earliest versions in Latin, such as per virtutem pax or pax per fortitudinem, appear in the context of "Peace through strength challenge"[6] and US Navy scuby divers tank top.[7] There is nothing special about Hadrian in the case. All univresal monarchs established and maintained peace through strength and many explained the method in similar terms. The first recorded king who pacified his world was Narmer c. 3000 BC. His Palette illustrates the earliest recorded peace through strength.

References

  1. ^ Elizabeth Speller (Oct 14, 2004). Following Hadrian?. Oxford University Press. p. 69. ISBN 9780195176131.
  2. ^ Martin Wainwright (14 March 2010). "Legions of sightseers attend Hadrian's Wall illumination". TheGuardian.com. Archived from the original on 10 November 2013. Retrieved September 15, 2012. Designed as a symbol of Hadrian's contemporary-sounding policy of "peace through strength", the wall marked the northern frontier of the Roman empire.
  3. ^ Political Dictionary, https://politicaldictionary.com/words/peace-through-strength/
  4. ^ Speidel, Michael P. (2007). Emperor Hadrian´s Speeches to the African Army - a New Text. (Schnell & Steiner. ISBN-10: 3795419840), p. 3.
  5. ^ O’Brien, Robert C. (July/August 2024). "The return of peace through strength: Making the case for Trump’s foreign policy." Foreign Affairs. Vol. 103 (4): p. 24.
  6. ^ "Announcement: Peace through strength challenge" (2018), https://romancatholicman.com/wp/announcement-peace-through-strength-challenge/?doing_wp_cron=1752163958.8088719844818115234375
  7. ^ Navy Dive Shirts, https://navydiveshirts.com/product/copy-of-u-s-navy-scuba-divers-pax-per-fortitudinem-navy-diver-tank-top/

This article was mentioned in "No Peace for Hawkish Think Tanks Over Reagan Slogan" (Washington City Paper, Sept. 14 2012). Mostly it's in regards to this edit by User:Gjames755, which User:Gobonobo subsequently corrected within WP:POV and WP:MOS guidelines. Green Cardamom (talk) 05:33, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

American Security Council Foundation

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It's obvious American Security Council Foundation is editing this article and promoting itself.[1] "ASCF urges millions to join Coalition for Peace Through Strength". ASCF has already been publicly embarrassed in the Washington City Paper (see above). What further damage ASCF wishes to reap upon its credibility by continually editing this article with blatant political PR is interesting to watch. Suggest editor visit WP:COI. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 06:41, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete self-redirecting internal link?

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The link "Strength Through Peace, the opposing doctrine" at the bottom of this article just redirects to the same page, which doesn't seem very useful. Maybe it should be deleted? Hgby (talk) 19:29, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 00:42, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Peace Through Strength or Peace Through Unity

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The phrase 'Peace Through Strength' was used by Chamberlain and his supporters in the UK between 1936 and 1939 as part of Chamberlain's failed diplomatic efforts of appeasement. The PR campaign started out in 1936 called "Peace through strength and unity in our empire", but within a few years was called simply "Peace through Strength". This morphing is interesting because originally it included "Unity" and later this was dropped. 'Peace Through Unity' was actually a slogan in use leading up to 1936, it can be found in various newspapers and books and journals. This is contrary to 'Peace Through Strength' which didn't much currency prior to 1936. It looks like the Chamberlain PR campaign used a known slogan 'Peace Through Unity', added a "Strength" to it, then later "Unity" got dropped. -- GreenC 16:25, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]