This template was considered for deletion on 2011 June 9. The result of the discussion was "no consensus".

He should be moved from the section "Germany" to "Poland". Judging by where "108 Martyrs of World War Two" are placed, the articles are arranged according to the place of martyrdom and the nationality of the martyrs -- and while St. Maximilian's father may have been an ethnic German, the son was Polish, and may have even not speak German. 89.231.100.9 (talk) 20:54, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

'May have even not speak [sic] German'? As a writer, editor, intellectual and political activist in prewar Poland, Fr Kolbe certainly knew German and was most likely perfectly fluent. There was no Poland when he died, so his death can't be blamed on Poland. He died in Greater Germany, under German occupation, in a German camp. Sallieparker (talk) 16:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But the persecution of Kolbe was not that of the "Church". History2007 (talk) 18:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As discussed during the Tfd, this template's title is about the persecution of "the Church", not specific individuals such as St. Maximilian above who was persecuted, but mostly for providing shelter to refugees against the Nazis. So that is not a topic for this template. So let us discuss what drops out and reasons for each deletion. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 18:59, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Miguel Obando y Bravo: I suggest deletion because he was critical of teh regime, so not a Church persecution at all. History2007 (talk) 19:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Nguyen Van Thuan: persecution was also because of family connection to Ngô Đình Diệm, so n/a. History2007 (talk) 19:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I was away for a while, sorry for delay.

If this is to remain in sidebar format, I would remove 'all the individuals, and leave only dozen or so links to main articles. Roughly, only the top 9 (before the "Mexico" subsection, and maybe a few selected from below). In total, no more than some 15-20 links. I suggest:

Anti-Catholicism‎

Historical persecution of Christians

Vatican and Eastern Europe 1846-1958

Catholic Church persecutions 1939-1958

Eradication of Church under Stalinism

Eastern Catholic persecutions

Between world wars: "Terrible Triangle"

Conspiracy of Silence under Nazism

Persecution of Christians in Mexico

Red Terror (Spain)

Pope Pius XII and China

No such user (talk) 13:52, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that "most" individuals need to be ignored, but I have not checked them all to see if anyone is an exception. I suggest increasing your suggested list by 4 or 5 more major items and let us be done with it. History2007 (talk) 15:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This template is rather "inmature" and should be fixed in terms of selection as representation of the topic it aims to convey. Chicbyaccident (talk) 14:29, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Would there be any objection to moving this template to Template:20th-century persecutions of the Catholic Church? Since 20th and century are working together as a compound adjective before the noun persecutions, it should be hyphenated. I've never moved a template so I don't know if Template:20th century persecutions of the Catholic Church would remain as a redirect to the new title. If need be, I'll go through the What links here and make the fixes. If there's a consensus, or at least no objection, I'll make the move in about a week. Thank you. SchreiberBike (talk) 05:05, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This template has now been enlarged with the aim to include an overview of all persecutions. Please feel free to improve in any ways. Chicbyaccident (talk) 19:48, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is this a template for persecution of Catholics, by Catholics, or both? –Zfish118^⋉talk 15:33, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any reason JFK is included under the "United States" section of the template? as far as I know, there is no evidence that Kennedy's Catholicity (lacking as it was) contributed to his killing Maximilian775 (talk) 18:58, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah that's just silly (though there was anti-Catholic propaganda disseminated during Kennedy's run). I'll add in some real instances of anti-Catholicism. ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:03, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For some time, this template has gradually seen some scope creep in terms of what was reckoned as "anti-Catholic persecution". While some instances are more cut and dry (such as a governmental campaign against the church), other listed inclusions have expanded to any time a Catholic was personally persecuted, regardless of whether this was part of a systematic persecution of Catholics or not. Many of these individuals listed should not be listed individually when the overarching subject is already covered an article that the template includes. Still others should not be included because their deaths had little to do with any systematic persecution of Catholics. This template should be narrowly tailored and rely on highly reliable sources stating clearly that actions were taken due to anti-Catholic prejudice. ~ Pbritti (talk) 12:19, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There's no pointing in talking you're just another authoritarian wiki editor with an agenda. You already have your conviction, and nothing that I can say even it's right will change your mind. So any discussion is pointless, all my arguments are already clear. The idea that a singular person being persecuted cannot represent a persecution to the Church as an institution is wrong, you don't need to include all cases but there's many cases with a high profile that should be included. Also you have not cited any examples of cases in which individuals should not be included and why that is the case for that particular person. But you have not only deleted cases of particular individuals you deleted well know terrorist attacks against churches, if this is not a persecution against the Church as an institution then as I said the discussion is pointless. Whathever2 (talk) 02:08, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Whathever2, please retract the extraordinarily uncivil comment. Once you have done so, you are encouraged to discuss. It is also clear that you did not properly read my above comment by mischaracterizing my argument as against only personal instance of persecution. ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:23, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please tell me this is a case of persecution against the Catholic Church or not? Based on prejudice and anti catholic sentiment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrs_of_Natal Whathever2 (talk) 02:31, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is an individual instance unsuitable for a sidebar that might be used across dozens of pages. Its inclusion on a sidebar specifically regarding Protestant violence against Catholics or anti-Catholic events in Brazil would be acceptable. However, its inclusion on this list would establish a precedence that would lead to such bloating of this template that it would become unusable. By the way, linking articles can be achieved using doubled brackets around the article name (case sensitive), eg [[Martyrs of Natal]]. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:37, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're wrong, there's no "bloating", this type of side template as the name suggests remain on the side of the page, even if the box gets a little lengthy it doesn't cause any interference or prejudice to the article or to using the template. This is the main template that appear on the Catholic Church page, this is exactly the appropriate place to put this cases of persecution. Also why we should accept your "feeling" about the right sizing of a template? Please tell me any specific rule that limits the number of examples that can be used in side templates and exactly how many they should be? This case of the Natal Martyrs is important because is one of the few instances that Catholics and their Church suffered persecution in Brazil, a case like this should be included because it's exemplary of a country or region.

You also deleted all the Ottoman Empire well documented atrocities like the Armenian Genocide, which was an ethnic cleansing campaign that was also motivated by anti-christian sentiment, there were a substantial number of Armenian catholics that were murdered in this episode. How can you justify the exclusions of such well know cases of persecution? You need to verify each case and judge each case individually, and not exclude everything only because you "feel" that it's too much, too "bloated", this is not the right way to do things. Whathever2 (talk) 03:09, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you putting the words feeling and feel in quotes as though I used them in my rationale here, as I did not say those words. Your response here simply says you disagree that inserting dozens of links with sometimes spurious connections to actual anti-Catholic sentiment (the Armenian Genocide, for example, being far more anti-Christian and anti-Armenian than specifically anti-Catholic). Again, the onus is on you to seek a consensus here. Please do so without treating Wikipedia like a BATTLEGROUND. Further comments that name call, impugn the character of other editors, or include false quoting of other editors will result in disciplinary action. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:18, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]